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Good and Evil!

Written by: Visionary Ydachikachishiroul Skar'Akai, Primal Shaman
Date: Tuesday, March 26th, 2002
Addressed to: Everyone


Hello everyone!
I've been reading the past few posts on what is chaos, good, evil, etc.
etc. and I want to get a point across.
HEY! This is my first public post!
Okay that's not my point. My point -is-, what really is good and evil?
Well, I've searched for opinions from different people, and I got very
different answers.
So first I'll put that here. I asked 2 neutral people, one neutral God,
a citizen of each city, and a Maldaathi. I was going to ask Pentharian
and Sartan, but They weren't in the realm currently and I wanted to get
this up here. *wince*

Navara - Good and evil depend on who the person judging is. Different
things are good to different people, and the things that might be good
to one person could be evil to another. It all depends.

Devanna - Good is something beneficial to me. Evil is something that
harms me.

Caspian - Good is a pot of bar-b-que beans with onions. Evil is what
happens 30 minutes after you eat them.

Grellek - There is no such thing as good or evil. They are differing
degress of the same thing, but people believe they are different because
they like to put a reason on their actions.

Ryoga - Good is doing what other people have decided is right and
putting other's needs in front of yours. And evil is caring only about
personal gain. Neutral is doing what you feel is right, not what somone
else decided.
(I didn't ask about neutral, she said that on her own @.o)
Fitz - I believe good and evil are two opposite ends of a balanced
spectrum. Essential parts of the Chaos of the world. Without good you
have no evil, without evil you have no good.

Andrex - Good...look at the Codex...that is good. Evil is that which
goes against the Codex.
(Okay, I had asked some other Shallamites again because I didn't feel
like going to go look at the Codex, but I got the same answer. Bah.)

Aspin - Goodness, to me, is the act of righteous behavior and striveness
of grace and gratitude in the affections of love, generosity, light,
righteous, all in the matter that love unconditionally is shown in
behaviors in which is known as service and humbleness. Wisdom in the
affects of light, to condone spirits but not by punishing spirits, but
moreso showing them and guiding them into the future with example of
righteousness, light, and love. Which in terms if was wise enough could
affect any soul, or spirit, both in prime material, and the spiritual
realm. Now evil. Many, people mistake evil in many ways. Evil is the
strive for betterment and advancement in many different means, by
pushing forth, and getting rid of weak hearted and weak souled. This
doesn't entitle that Evil must kill the weak, but instead be able to if
they are aware to push the weak into strength, with discipline and any
other means necessery. Evil, is all the malicous, and malevolent acts
that the world holds fit yes, but even in Evil there is many
oppurtinities then rather mere thuggery. Evil is the grace by which the
Strong live. It is the Truths of punishment in and towards the weak.
However, even in evil there is more then just this, look for example at
how Paladins kill, Priests Kill and Condone, with Judgement, is
judgement in not itself an act of evil? Evil is in everything, every
life, every soul. There mere fact of accepting and even when people do
accept there sin, they still claim to be righteous. Righteousness
wouldn't be anywere if there were no Sins or Crimes commited, as then
everyone would be so holy that the world would be nothing but mindless
batter of praising Pentharian. Evil, in itself is Wise, in the prime
material planes as well as the planes of the spiritual.
1. Morally upright, without guilt or sin. 2. In accordance with virtue
or morality.
That sentence is a simple description of a few tomes I have read on
describeing Righteousness, I am not Pentharian and He is Who writes and
describes Righteousness, however, this is a simple thing I have always
looked at. If the Righteous or those who call themselves such, were
Morally upright and without Guilt or Sin, this means they to wouldn't
condone the Evil into name calling, participate in beatings, or even
participate in the thuggery to get rid of Evil, but morseo would act in
a more Moral, virtous Manner. After reading the tomes of the Holy Codex,
we have seen that even in there it describes that one may kill, if
needed to rid of Evil. So this in itself is describing as Killing as a
Virtue. Killing if tis a virtue of Righteousness, to justify against
Evil, we see then that Evil again prevails even in the holiest of Holy
scriptures of the Church.

My magic word defining device - Good - Being positive, or desirable in
nature, appropriate, not spoiled, superior to the average, skilled,
reliable, pleasant, genuine, favorable, virtuous, well-behaved

Now really. For those who do believe that there is only one definition
of 'good' and 'evil', look at this. Have you seen such variety?! And so
I shall state my own opinion, and I do hope that you pay attention!
Good and evil are names. Names that two, or more, opposing sides call
either each other or themselves. They are opinion, not fact. As you can
see, they vary in definition. If there really -was- only one definition
of both concepts, then whose is right and whose is wrong? And who is to
tell?
Perhaps a general definition of good would be 'helping people', but how
is destroying those who are 'evil' helping them? And maybe a definition
of evil is 'killing people', but would an 'evil' person kill another
'evil' person simply to maintain their 'evilness'? So I'll change that a
bit. What if 'good' was 'doing beneficial acts for those who deserved
them' and 'evil' was 'doing nonbeneficial acts for those whom the evil
person doesn't like'? So that works a bit better, but that's not all
there is to it, I'm sure. I'll bet a lot of you 'good' and 'evil' people
out there disagree with so much in this post, but consider this!
'Good' is associated with 'right' and 'light'. 'Evil', if it truly is
the opposite of 'good' might then be associated with 'wrong' and 'dark'.
But do those who call themselves 'evil' think what they are doing is
'wrong'? One might call it that, but what if they didn't see that what
they were doing was 'right', because it was maintaining their alignment?
Damn, this stuff is complicated!
So it's all very ironic. Different people say different things. I
respect that everyone has a different view of the world, that's why I'm
neutral. (What is neutral? you might ask. Argh another matter of
opinion! Have you not learned anything from this post?!) I don't call
neutral just another side to the 'good' and 'evil' conflict. I call it a
'I really don't give a damn about your alignment, I just care who you
are' sort of thing. Because if someone tried to judge every single
person, idea, conflict in the world, and call it either 'good', or
'evil', they'd have a hell of a job and it'd be impossible. That's not
how the world works, there aren't always two sides to everything.
There's just a misunderstanding, or jealousy, or general dislike. I
mean, what are you guys fighting about anyways? Yea, you 'good' people
in Shallam, and you 'evil' people in Ashtan! And you Maldaathi! Okay
then, everyone who takes part in the good vs. evil war, what are you
really going to gain from this? Devastation of the other side? So that
there's only either 'good' or 'evil' in the world? That's not going to
work, I can tell you. There are so many people with different ideas,
some who are loyal and answer strictly according to their code of honor,
or some who consider new ideas and think of the world as a big logic
problem that needs solving. There's diversity in this world, keep it
that way. I'm not saying to stop going off and killing the other side,
I'm saying that (-=FOR EXAMPLE=-) what recently happened with Sartan
being sealed up in that lil island o' His, is not going to get rid of
evil. The two will always exist in your minds, because otherwise there
would be nothing to compare them to.
Okay I'm going to finish this up (it's verrrrry long I suppose...) For
those of you who really do stick to your lil code of honor, then mebbe
you'd try to extend your minds and consider this? Okay okay fine, don't
kill me. Just a suggestion....
Hrm.......right, okay, that's all. And by the way, thank you to Grellek
who kindly gave me the extra 14 gold I needed to post this! Be happys
everypeoples!

-Ydachikachishiroul Skar'Akai-
Arrrrr......

Penned by my hand on the 9th of Daedalan, in the year 302 AF.


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Public News Post #9569

Good and Evil!

Written by: Visionary Ydachikachishiroul Skar'Akai, Primal Shaman
Date: Tuesday, March 26th, 2002
Addressed to: Everyone


Hello everyone!
I've been reading the past few posts on what is chaos, good, evil, etc.
etc. and I want to get a point across.
HEY! This is my first public post!
Okay that's not my point. My point -is-, what really is good and evil?
Well, I've searched for opinions from different people, and I got very
different answers.
So first I'll put that here. I asked 2 neutral people, one neutral God,
a citizen of each city, and a Maldaathi. I was going to ask Pentharian
and Sartan, but They weren't in the realm currently and I wanted to get
this up here. *wince*

Navara - Good and evil depend on who the person judging is. Different
things are good to different people, and the things that might be good
to one person could be evil to another. It all depends.

Devanna - Good is something beneficial to me. Evil is something that
harms me.

Caspian - Good is a pot of bar-b-que beans with onions. Evil is what
happens 30 minutes after you eat them.

Grellek - There is no such thing as good or evil. They are differing
degress of the same thing, but people believe they are different because
they like to put a reason on their actions.

Ryoga - Good is doing what other people have decided is right and
putting other's needs in front of yours. And evil is caring only about
personal gain. Neutral is doing what you feel is right, not what somone
else decided.
(I didn't ask about neutral, she said that on her own @.o)
Fitz - I believe good and evil are two opposite ends of a balanced
spectrum. Essential parts of the Chaos of the world. Without good you
have no evil, without evil you have no good.

Andrex - Good...look at the Codex...that is good. Evil is that which
goes against the Codex.
(Okay, I had asked some other Shallamites again because I didn't feel
like going to go look at the Codex, but I got the same answer. Bah.)

Aspin - Goodness, to me, is the act of righteous behavior and striveness
of grace and gratitude in the affections of love, generosity, light,
righteous, all in the matter that love unconditionally is shown in
behaviors in which is known as service and humbleness. Wisdom in the
affects of light, to condone spirits but not by punishing spirits, but
moreso showing them and guiding them into the future with example of
righteousness, light, and love. Which in terms if was wise enough could
affect any soul, or spirit, both in prime material, and the spiritual
realm. Now evil. Many, people mistake evil in many ways. Evil is the
strive for betterment and advancement in many different means, by
pushing forth, and getting rid of weak hearted and weak souled. This
doesn't entitle that Evil must kill the weak, but instead be able to if
they are aware to push the weak into strength, with discipline and any
other means necessery. Evil, is all the malicous, and malevolent acts
that the world holds fit yes, but even in Evil there is many
oppurtinities then rather mere thuggery. Evil is the grace by which the
Strong live. It is the Truths of punishment in and towards the weak.
However, even in evil there is more then just this, look for example at
how Paladins kill, Priests Kill and Condone, with Judgement, is
judgement in not itself an act of evil? Evil is in everything, every
life, every soul. There mere fact of accepting and even when people do
accept there sin, they still claim to be righteous. Righteousness
wouldn't be anywere if there were no Sins or Crimes commited, as then
everyone would be so holy that the world would be nothing but mindless
batter of praising Pentharian. Evil, in itself is Wise, in the prime
material planes as well as the planes of the spiritual.
1. Morally upright, without guilt or sin. 2. In accordance with virtue
or morality.
That sentence is a simple description of a few tomes I have read on
describeing Righteousness, I am not Pentharian and He is Who writes and
describes Righteousness, however, this is a simple thing I have always
looked at. If the Righteous or those who call themselves such, were
Morally upright and without Guilt or Sin, this means they to wouldn't
condone the Evil into name calling, participate in beatings, or even
participate in the thuggery to get rid of Evil, but morseo would act in
a more Moral, virtous Manner. After reading the tomes of the Holy Codex,
we have seen that even in there it describes that one may kill, if
needed to rid of Evil. So this in itself is describing as Killing as a
Virtue. Killing if tis a virtue of Righteousness, to justify against
Evil, we see then that Evil again prevails even in the holiest of Holy
scriptures of the Church.

My magic word defining device - Good - Being positive, or desirable in
nature, appropriate, not spoiled, superior to the average, skilled,
reliable, pleasant, genuine, favorable, virtuous, well-behaved

Now really. For those who do believe that there is only one definition
of 'good' and 'evil', look at this. Have you seen such variety?! And so
I shall state my own opinion, and I do hope that you pay attention!
Good and evil are names. Names that two, or more, opposing sides call
either each other or themselves. They are opinion, not fact. As you can
see, they vary in definition. If there really -was- only one definition
of both concepts, then whose is right and whose is wrong? And who is to
tell?
Perhaps a general definition of good would be 'helping people', but how
is destroying those who are 'evil' helping them? And maybe a definition
of evil is 'killing people', but would an 'evil' person kill another
'evil' person simply to maintain their 'evilness'? So I'll change that a
bit. What if 'good' was 'doing beneficial acts for those who deserved
them' and 'evil' was 'doing nonbeneficial acts for those whom the evil
person doesn't like'? So that works a bit better, but that's not all
there is to it, I'm sure. I'll bet a lot of you 'good' and 'evil' people
out there disagree with so much in this post, but consider this!
'Good' is associated with 'right' and 'light'. 'Evil', if it truly is
the opposite of 'good' might then be associated with 'wrong' and 'dark'.
But do those who call themselves 'evil' think what they are doing is
'wrong'? One might call it that, but what if they didn't see that what
they were doing was 'right', because it was maintaining their alignment?
Damn, this stuff is complicated!
So it's all very ironic. Different people say different things. I
respect that everyone has a different view of the world, that's why I'm
neutral. (What is neutral? you might ask. Argh another matter of
opinion! Have you not learned anything from this post?!) I don't call
neutral just another side to the 'good' and 'evil' conflict. I call it a
'I really don't give a damn about your alignment, I just care who you
are' sort of thing. Because if someone tried to judge every single
person, idea, conflict in the world, and call it either 'good', or
'evil', they'd have a hell of a job and it'd be impossible. That's not
how the world works, there aren't always two sides to everything.
There's just a misunderstanding, or jealousy, or general dislike. I
mean, what are you guys fighting about anyways? Yea, you 'good' people
in Shallam, and you 'evil' people in Ashtan! And you Maldaathi! Okay
then, everyone who takes part in the good vs. evil war, what are you
really going to gain from this? Devastation of the other side? So that
there's only either 'good' or 'evil' in the world? That's not going to
work, I can tell you. There are so many people with different ideas,
some who are loyal and answer strictly according to their code of honor,
or some who consider new ideas and think of the world as a big logic
problem that needs solving. There's diversity in this world, keep it
that way. I'm not saying to stop going off and killing the other side,
I'm saying that (-=FOR EXAMPLE=-) what recently happened with Sartan
being sealed up in that lil island o' His, is not going to get rid of
evil. The two will always exist in your minds, because otherwise there
would be nothing to compare them to.
Okay I'm going to finish this up (it's verrrrry long I suppose...) For
those of you who really do stick to your lil code of honor, then mebbe
you'd try to extend your minds and consider this? Okay okay fine, don't
kill me. Just a suggestion....
Hrm.......right, okay, that's all. And by the way, thank you to Grellek
who kindly gave me the extra 14 gold I needed to post this! Be happys
everypeoples!

-Ydachikachishiroul Skar'Akai-
Arrrrr......

Penned by my hand on the 9th of Daedalan, in the year 302 AF.


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