I do hate to belabor a point, and I know most shall be bored and pass
over this post. Perhaps I will just ignore any future replies to this
even if it means relinquishing the last word because I do understand the
irritation and frustration that can come from excessive posts on a topic
one does not care about. And since most people will probably cease to
care about this dispute that has arisen between myself and not just
Brinn, but his superiors who apparently need to do thinking for him as
demonstrated by Aldair, I will likely make this the end of things on
issue from my end.

Aldair, you make quality points! 'Tis good to see such a worthy
forensics competitor. As should be no surprise, I do not find your
reasoning to be 100% valid, but perhaps surprisingly, it is certainly
not 100% invalid in my view. Perhaps I would say in some grey area
between. There is one most valid point you make that I agree full
heartedly with 100%. There is no doubt that the Logos created Chaos and
other things, and in fact the Logos is not Chaos or Order, but rather
something that transcends both. So yes, Chaos is not only force of
change. The Logos transcends that and all other statements we make, so
it is best to act under the assumption that anything I or anyone else in
Achaea claims has the caveat "excepting the will of the Logos" or
something like that. When the will of the Logos enters into something,
nothing in Chaos, Order, nature, love, hate or anything else applies.

To address other points specifically, and yes, this seems nitpicky so I
apologize, "Over the aeons, He watched His creations interacting and
experiencing the wonderful uncertainty of their lives". This would
likely be because His creations were not capable of knowing what the
future held. Even in a world of immutable laws (well, immutable
excepting the will of the Logos of course), life is uncertain if you are
not personally capable of discerning the future.

"Still, there were flashes of creativity in the otherwise Cyrenaic aeons
after the Creation" refers to the gods' creativity when taking in full
contex of the sentences around it. Also note that "the Elder Gods He
infused with a small, finite, portion of His own boundless power."
Therefore, any argument you or I make on anything could very likely be
invalidated if a god intervenes since they can exercise the power of the
Logos to some extent. This leads full cycle to the same situation as
before with the will of the Logos.

So it seems I must amend my claim. Excepting the will of the Logos or a
power of creativity deriving from Him in another being since they
transcend both Order and Chaos and all else, Chaos is the prime force of
change. So perhaps that would seem to state that only Chaos bends
immutable rules and so forth without Logosian or Logosian-related
intervention. To some, that may seem in stark contrast to leaving out
the "excepting" clause. To others, the "excepting" clause is perhaps
frivolous since that can be appended to pretty much any claim anyone
ever makes, so perhaps it should be assumed whenever any mortal says
anything.

Finally, Eris did once say, "neither am I Entropy or Discord." But if
you ask Her again, perhaps changing the question slightly, it is likely
that She would state that She is both, and perhaps She'd explicitly say
She is both even when She is neither. Eris can be confusing that way at
times; it certainly puzzles me. But then again, such is the way of
bending rules. Things that once made no sense can come to be true
through Chaos due to its change nature.

I will conclude with one last citation of support from the histories,
one that perhaps accounts for your wonderful success in rising to
political power in the Church, "It is this that Caymus saw when he
predicted humanity's future greatness. It is the spark of Chaos within
us (humans) that allows us the creativity and drive we possess." So it
is Chaos that grants creativity to you humans and accounts for your
successes. (On a side note, perhaps thanks and praise to your Chaos
ancestry is in order for granting you the creativity and drive to become
Archprelate?) Thus having the ability or power to create (as
"creativity" is defined) would seem to derive from Chaos in cases when
it does not derive from that which transcends all of reality: the Logos.


-Saruman.

Penned by my hand on the 6th of Phaestian, in the year 320 AF.