The meeting was not secret, but attendance was limmited to streamline the rate of progress. People keep asking me what was said and I can only answer in general terms, because the meeting took 2 hours. Here is a VERY condensed version of what happened. I am trying to combine brevity with capturing the jist of the conversation. Dont complain to me that it is too long or I left out blah blah... if you don't want to read the long post, skip right on over it. It is only here for those who are interested. When people ask me what was said, this is the best answer I can give them. The log ends as I left the meeting, 10 minutes before it adjourned.

Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "I am here acting as mediator... I hold no
allegience to a guild nor a city nor the church nor the oakstone. So I hold
none of your organizations above the other."
"Bah!" you retort disgustedly.
Claryssa raises an eyebrow at you.
You say, "Pardon me... gas..."
You wince in pain.
Lupus, the wild God of the Beasts says, "Halo speaks for Ashtan until Napoloen
returns."
Mistral, of the Wild Blue Yonder says, "I am speaking for Gijan, who is
representing his guild, if he can't make it to this meeting."
Mistral, of the Wild Blue Yonder says, "Well, he's left with me a message in
case he can't be here, which he'd say in this meeting."
Mistral, of the Wild Blue Yonder says, "Greetings my fellow leaders of
Sapience. As i could not attend the meeting today, this message will be given
by Mistral for me. I, representing the Kharon as always, hereby state that we
do not support peace and will not stand for it. The Kharon are about combat
and war, and are throroughly enjoying the chain of events that are occuring at
the present time. So we hereby state our blatent opposition to any terms of
peace either side of this war tries to bring about at this council. Thank you
and please do enjoy the pain and suffering that this war will continue to
cause. Yours in Darkness...The one and Only, Gijan, Endbringer"."
Dr. Maran, Of the Black Boar says, "I'll ask a simple question, and would like
a simple answer..what do ye all wish? Ashtan as a whole, Hashan...what things
do you require for peace?"
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "Ashtan wishes that the Shrine
control around our walls be subdued to a point where we have more freedom to
move and walk without worrying about being jumped or Convocated, or effected by
rites."
You say, "I spoke with Napoloen earlier and I know what his initial request
was. Should I relate it here?"
Claryssa nods her head emphatically.
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "Yes please."
You say, "In accordance with his famous "ultimatum" post, he wishes that there
be not more that one shrine per area, no safe shrines and total freedom to
erect or defile in those specified rooms."
You say, "READNEWS PUBLIC 3044."
Ophidian Lokelinde Elentari Danial, Lady of Hashan says, "Hashan wishes only to
have our sovereignty acknowledged and respected. We have never, nor will we
accept unapproved shrines within our walls or territories."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "That is not appropriate, Sinistar."
You say, "I was asked to quote Napoloens words..."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "And you did. We are not here to discuss that
ultimatum."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "Please... let us get back to the talks at
hand and not waste any more time on a childish tantrum."
Oneiros, God of Peace says, "And Napoloen, so long as he sticks to his
ridiculous ideals of domination."
Sir Pierce, the Vorpal Blacksmith says, "And we want our shrines left alone."
Aurora, Goddess of Light says, "And to be frank Sinistar, the city of Ashtan
was on the losing side of that war and so it is quite out of the realm of
possibility that those options would even be considered. Of course not Halo,
but if you make ridiculous requests they will be rejected out of hand."
Skarash, Shadow Monk tells you, "I fear we have nothing to gain here."
You say, "Losing Dearest Lady of Light?"
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "Halo has said that Ashtan wishes to be able
to roam freely near its walls without being under the power of the Shrines."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "May I state, for the record, this
war would not have broken out if we were not up to our neck in Shrines, we
wouldnt have lashed out."
Dr. Maran, Of the Black Boar says, "We have abided by the last treaty since its
signing, and there have not been any shrines near ashtans walls in years."
Mistral, of the Wild Blue Yonder says, "The war broke out as a result of
blatant breaking of the more than generous terms of treaty as posted in 2016."
Mistral, of the Wild Blue Yonder says, "And the many deaths for defiling
shrines including your own."
Mistral, of the Wild Blue Yonder says, "The shrine set up in North of Thera was
seen as influencing the exit of Ashtan to other areas."
Mistral, of the Wild Blue Yonder says, "Every citizen of Ashtan who walks out
the gates of Ashtan has to pass North of Thera."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "What if the chuch was limited to the number
of shrines it could have outside its walls? Say 40 just to throw out that
number.... and the locations could be discussed?"
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "I ask for a shrine inspection team,
approved by this summit meeting."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "And that the Actual # of shrines
needs to be discussed."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "I suggest that NoT be liberated of
Shrine influence."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "No Offensive use of Shrines
either."
Aurora, Goddess of Light says, "Halo, you are NOT going to hamstring the
majority of a two guilds skillset."
Sir Pierce, the Vorpal Blacksmith says, "If we forgo offensive use of shrines,
what difference would it make where they were?"
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "How would you insure that Pierce?"
You say, "We are all aware the effect rouges have, Thakren building a shrine,
Dalamar building and saccing while the truce in on... a ban on the skills is
not going to work."
Sir Pierce, the Vorpal Blacksmith says, "Same way we would ensure anything..."
Mistral, of the Wild Blue Yonder says, "Most people find it annoying that the
church members can shimmer in anywhere they go without warning."
Mistral, of the Wild Blue Yonder says, "Shimmer in and we never know whether
we're getting attacked or not."
You say, "The shrines HURT! thats the problem. We cant even walk the cursed
roads without visitations of demons and visions of hell."
Aurora, Goddess of Light says, "You mean like people using wormholes to zip
about the land Mistral? If we are going to say that, then how about one
wormhole per area."
You say, "Shimmering is a small thing. The shrines are used as tools of
delivering pain and spying on trafficed areas. Having them and promising not to
use them is naive. We are here today to get them removed."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "Halo.. you stated that the shrines at NoT
mean that Ashtanites have to pass through their power to leave their city...."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "Where would you suggest the cut off point
around ashtan be?"
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "Delos."
Sir Pierce, the Vorpal Blacksmith says, "Unlikely."
Dr. Maran, Of the Black Boar says, "Quite."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "If Shrines are mainly used to pilg,
it was the response I got from most, then why does one shrine per area such a
big deal."
Aurora, Goddess of Light says, "Shrines are a testament to the devotion of
those making it to the gods that the Church reveres. Also, in more practical
terms, devotion is replaced by those who receive it from the number of shrines
that are in the world on each dawn. So, one shrine in each area would provide a
severe strain on the devotional replenishment of both the Paladin and Priest
guilds. So, it is a twofold reason that regulating shrines to one per area is
not acceptable."
Aurora, Goddess of Light says, "Also, shrines can only be placed a certain
distance from one another."
Hierophant Delphi Taimuno says, "Oakstone wishes to continue it's treaty with
the Church."
Mak Fawa Gijan, the Midnight Endbringer says, "Maran or Pierce, I wish to know
the reasoning for placing shrines outside of the Shallam walls."
Aurora, Goddess of Light says, "Gijan I have already answered this question."
Aurora, Goddess of Light says, "Shrines are a testament to the devotion of
those making it to the gods that the Church reveres. Also, in more practical
terms, devotion is replaced by those who receive it from the number of shrines
that are in the world on each dawn. So, one shrine in each area would provide a
severe strain on the devotional replenishment of both the Paladin and Priest
guilds. So, it is a twofold reason that regulating shrines to one per area is
not acceptable."
Aurora, Goddess of Light says, "Also, shrines can only be placed a certain
distance from one another."
Aurora, Goddess of Light says, "That is why."
Mak Fawa Gijan, the Midnight Endbringer says, "I see."
Mak Fawa Gijan, the Midnight Endbringer says, "I remember when i was young the
amount of Shrines in the Land were severely less then what they are now and
there was never a problem with devotion."
You say, "The areas of Shallam, the sewers, Pash, Delos, the road to Delos and
Shastaan is a lot of potential shrines..."
Mak Fawa Gijan, the Midnight Endbringer says, "More then enough devotion."
Dr. Maran, Of the Black Boar says, "Sinistar...ye cannot speak for the Shaastan
or Delosians can ye?"
You say, "No Maran, I cant, I revise my statement to exclude those areas."
Mak Fawa Gijan, the Midnight Endbringer says, "Because there is no need for
shrines above Delos."
Sir Pierce, the Vorpal Blacksmith says, "Ahstan declared war on the church,
could ashtan please make specific requests about what they expect?"
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You say, "Napoloen said one per area, in a predesignated room, unsafe, or we
continue our campagin... we Have stated our demands."
Dr. Maran, Of the Black Boar says, "Demands?"
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "I ask to hear the terms of the
Church."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "That the church be limited to the number of
shrines... and that they cannot influence Ashtan or the road north of a certain
point."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "You have our demands, you dont wish
to accept them, then we continue the war."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "Simple."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "Ashtan has said its grounds for a
new treaty, we give the pen to the Leaders of the Church to sign. It is they
who wish if war shall continue or not."
You say, "Our overseer has given us his terms. One shrine per area, unsafe, in
a desiganted room, or we continue the fighting. I am perfectly ready to stand
at his side and do just that. This meeting is going much too slow. Will Maran,
Aurora, or Pierce accept these terms?"
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "That ultimatum issued by Napoloen has no
validity here, halo. It demanded things for the forest and others whom it has
no jurisdiction. Please do not mention it again. If you wish to give a new
offer fine. But that one is invalid. Period."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "Should I restate them so its not
the past Claryssa?"
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "Then fine, we stand by our terms
still, that is all we wish to say."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "You have issued no terms, Halo."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "Readnews public 3044."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "Past or not."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "You only mention a post long rendered invalid
by this assembly."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "Then we continue war."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "IF and when you state your terms we will
discuss them Halo."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "We have, a million times already."
Dr. Maran, Of the Black Boar says, "And we decline those if that is what ye
want."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "No.. you mention a post which has been ruled
invalid."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "NO terms have been stated in this assembly to
accept or decline."
You say, "Then you are not litening Claryssa."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "The Sinistar says, "Our overseer
has given us his terms. One shrine per area, unsafe, in a desiganted room, or
we continue the fighting. I am perfectly ready to stand at his side and do just
that. This meeting is going much too slow. Will Maran, Aurora, or Pierce accept
these terms?""
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "It has been said Claryssa."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "WRONG."
Sir Pierce, the Vorpal Blacksmith says, "No."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "LISTEN and hear me."
Maran shakes his head.
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "BOTH SIDES... Listen and hear me."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "That post is not valid... so to mention it
does NOT constitute issuing terms."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "Claryssa."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "If you wish to spell out terms then do so.
But to keep saying that means nothing."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "This is pointless."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "State your terms in a clear manner, Halo...
1. 2. 3 . and 4..."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "To say "what Napoloen said" says nothing..
spell it out here in this assembly."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "1.One shrine per area, unsafe, in a
desiganted room, or we continue the fighting."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "There."
Pierce flashes Halo a joyous smile.
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "2. No shrine anywhere past Delos."
Claryssa's mouth turns up as her face breaks into a smile.
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "3. Pash, Raplh highway, Delos,
Shallam, Shastaan, are yours for as many shrines as you wish."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "4. No convocation."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "Ever."
Sir Pierce, the Vorpal Blacksmith says, "And if we say no, you declare war?"
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "That is correct."
Aurora, Goddess of Light says, "Halo, the whole of the highways are Church
property."
Aurora, Goddess of Light says, "It is not for you to determine what we do or do
not put on our own property."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "Rather than saying No, Church.... what is
your counter offer?"
Dr. Maran, Of the Black Boar says, "They have already said they will not accept
a counter offer."
Dr. Maran, Of the Black Boar says, "And we will not accept those terms."
Twilight, God of Darkness says to Aurora, "No longer, Aurora. The Highways are
now publically owned. Long ago when they were first built perhaps.."
Sir Pierce, the Vorpal Blacksmith says, "Any treaty that recognizes any right
to defile will lead back to war."
You say, "I have better things to do. Until Napoloen or an Archon (not Pierce)
tells me there is some reason not to, the Infernals are at war again. We have
issued our demands and been given a satisfactory answer from Pierce, Maran and
Aurora. We need nothing more. I hope you heard that Claryssa, if not, please
apply some mending salve to your shriveld ears. I do not intend to repeat it
for you 5 more times."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "Pierce, Maran.... Ashtan has made an
offer.... do you make a counter offer? If the highways are of concern please
formulate it into the counter offer."
You tell Twilight, God of Darkness, "Will you please put me in Ashtan Lord?"
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "No Claryssa."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "I will not play your game."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "Nor will Ashtan."
Claryssa the Lily of Peace says, "Game?"
Sir Pierce, the Vorpal Blacksmith says, "I just stated a counter... they have
chosen."
Lupine Halo, Lord of the White Flame says, "Sign our terms, or leave, and war
will persue."
You are transported by the power of Twilight.
You tell Twilight, God of Darkness, "Thank You very much Lord."
Here ends my participation in the meeting and this log.
-the Sinistar

Penned by my hand on the 14th of Valnuary, in the year 235 AF.