Greetings, I am glad that people have taken an interest in the subject.
Although I would also appreciate it if people who try to refute me would
at least take them time to read my previous posts (and perhaps also
understand them).

This is what I mean: Angaril, throws petty insults in the air (yet
again) and apparently lacks the intellectual abilities to formulate a
correct argument. He thinks I am an embarrassment and a joke, well I
think you are the joke you keep talking about books you have not read,
studies you have not made, and as if that wasn't enough you refer to
arguments you didn't even formulate.

I have made my homework, now I suggest you make yours if you earnestly
want to prove me wrong at the risk of showing that your powers of
deduction are either null or severely handicapped.

You are correct there is no debate between the two of us, because for a
debate to take form, the two parties have to actually present arguments.
Perhaps you should consider reading material on the subject.


Vraxlstriss you are correct on some things, this did in fact begin with
me posting my own views on the subject but I thought I made that clear
when I said: *** Do not misunderstand me; This is only my personal
opinion***. That was in my first post, witch either you did not read, or
did not understand; although I am not sure how I could have made myself
clearer.

Then Vraxlstriss you say that this is not a debate nor ever was, but you
continue by saying that these subjects are always being debated because
there is no certainty of fact. Well if we are sharing differing views on
a topic in witch YOU affirm nothing is fact, that sounds like a debate
to me. And I didn't give my own views on history, I rather gave my own
views on the sequels of the historical moment you speak of. And I don't
see whats wrong with calming passions and getting rid of animosities,
but history was never a key point in this debate until a Guilded
Occultist brought it up (Relish), after all I do not affirm to be an
Historian. The only time I talked about History was to address his
accusations that Ignorants like me made the Burning Times happen, and my
response was simply to stop dwelling in the past. Like I said before I
don't see how that's me expressing my views on The historical even in
question. Although since you didn't read my first post, I doubt you read
that one either.

You say: 'There was no Occultist Guild at that time in history', but
there where in fact groups that eventually became organised in the
present Guild, bringing their knowledge, their history and their
animosity towards the Church with them. Those are three Major things
that the rogue Occultists do not Share with the guild.

You say my ideas are not as developed or supported as the sources you
are alluding too, but you do not even mention the sources. Witch are you
referring too, the eluding unwritten ones that you speak of?
Furthermore, I do not claim to be enlightened nor am I trying to teach
anyone anything. I am merely trying to record my views on the subject
and discuss them.

I reject the statement that if I had in fact joined the Occultist guild
I would have clarifications as to my ideas. Most Guilded Occultist I
have talked to are more confused on the subject then normal Achaeans,
not because they are stupid, but because your sources and your 'chaos
theories' contradict themselves. I know, you will say that's because
nothing is fact on the matter and everything is theory, but then again
if I ask you about right and wrong, you will probably repeat what Relish
said : 'Its only a point of view'. Well there are Objective Truths and
as I said in my first post, my goal is not to define chaos, and I even
elaborated on the subject of what I my goal actually was. Once again,
you should read those posts if you want to 'Debate' the subject further.

To Draqoom I would like to say; thanks for your views they are greatly
appreciated and they made more sense then anything anyone has said in
the last few posts. Your Objective and Neutral view is quite refreshing.

To Ottis I would like to say; I am glad you find my points interesting,
thanks for pointing out that no one has properly refuted me. And since
you have an interest in the subject perhaps we could meet up and discuss
it when you are available.

*Just my humble opinions*,

Madus



Penned by my hand on the 6th of Chronos, in the year 395 AF.