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Written by: Madus
Date: Thursday, June 23rd, 2005
Addressed to: Everyone
Greetings, I will now address the each element of the three previous
posts.
Posts 14894 by Caelan:
This post is obviously humour, and I have to admit I enjoyed reading it.
Although I was myself a Sentinel for a little over 10 years, I never
once felt like an animal. And even if the Sentinels do take on animal
Morphs, that still doesn't make them animals, it rather makes them
Mhuns, Trolls, Sirens, Rajamallas, etc. under animal Morph. When you see
someone morph, you see the spirit of the respective animal overlap them,
so they are still themselves.
Post 14895 by Rhadamanthys:
Also a very nice post, although I think someone has a fixation on sheep
and goats. 😉 You say lots of houses accept rogues occultists, then you
only mention Ebonfist, and if you would like to reread this part of my
post, you would in fact see that I weighed my words and said: 'MOST
HOUSES don't accept rogue occultists' I did not say ALL HOUSES.
As for the Occultist guild being picky, yes they are, and rightly so and
at least they give a chance to rogue occultist to try out (I remember
you yourself asking me to join the Occultist guild). The houses I was
talking about on the other hand do not give rogue Occultists a chance.
Moreover, I am well aware of the history the Occultist guild shares with
the Church, but that is between the GUILD and the Church, not rogue
Occultists and the Church. I also remember attending many Chaos
discussions for young Scholars of your guild, when I used to live in
Ashtan. The Elders at those meetings stated that Chaos could be found
within Order. If this is the case, then what's wrong with the Church
standing for Order and Harmony?
And as you said, we USE chaos, we do not worship it, we do not serve it,
we use it (I use the word chaos here in the same fashion as in my
previous post, see post 14893). Does a Magi using his Elemental Fire
powers make him a crazed Pyromaniac? I would say no, he can use his
skills with wisdom and for good causes.
The attachment most rogue Occultists feel towards the Occultism skill is
the same attachment a magi feels towards the Elementalism skill, and the
same attachment a fisherperson feels towards his fishing rod. The skills
are the tools one uses to get things done and assist him, nothing more.
Post 14896 by Relish:
This post was less amusing, and more on the offensive side but it was
still a valid opinion. He started off by saying that people ignorant
like me made the burning times happen; I am trying to bring people
together with tolerance not divide them, so that statement is clearly
fallacious. The Burning Times are long gone, and perhaps the time for
healing is at hand, my understanding is that people are supposed to
learn from the past, not dwell on it until it becomes their present.
Then he says that he isn't sure why most houses wont let rogue
Occultists join them, but one thing he is sure of is that is does not
CONCERN him. Then he spends almost the entirety of his post explaining
to me what the Occultist Guild is about, I am not sure why since I am a
rogue Occultist and the Guild doesn't CONCERN me.
Relish, I would like to point out that I in fact did not say: 'The guild
does not allow rogue Occultist' what I said was that most rogue
Occultist didn't get accepted into the guild.
I never denied that we USE chaos entities, just as Priests sometimes use
Demons and Hellsight.
But when you say: 'But are Priests worshipping the demons? I think not.
There is a difference between utilizing and following something, perhaps
you should try to remember this before attempting a mildly thought out
post.'
Are you serious? That's not an argument, that is what I said in my post,
you are repeating me. I said Priests don't worship Demons just like we
don't worship chaos. And perhaps you should remember what you just read
before attempting your not-at-all thought out rhetoric at it.
PS; A word of advice if I may; from the aggressiveness of post it seems
you are somewhat frustrated, perhaps you should take up Rhadamanthys on
his tea drinking /open door offer.
PPS; You should quit taking cheap shots at the Church everytime you get
the chance. It doesn't help the healing process.
Thanks for all the responses in spirit of debate, the politeness is
greatly appreciated
Madus
Penned by my hand on the 14th of Phaestian, in the year 395 AF.
occultism
Written by: Madus
Date: Thursday, June 23rd, 2005
Addressed to: Everyone
Greetings, I will now address the each element of the three previous
posts.
Posts 14894 by Caelan:
This post is obviously humour, and I have to admit I enjoyed reading it.
Although I was myself a Sentinel for a little over 10 years, I never
once felt like an animal. And even if the Sentinels do take on animal
Morphs, that still doesn't make them animals, it rather makes them
Mhuns, Trolls, Sirens, Rajamallas, etc. under animal Morph. When you see
someone morph, you see the spirit of the respective animal overlap them,
so they are still themselves.
Post 14895 by Rhadamanthys:
Also a very nice post, although I think someone has a fixation on sheep
and goats. 😉 You say lots of houses accept rogues occultists, then you
only mention Ebonfist, and if you would like to reread this part of my
post, you would in fact see that I weighed my words and said: 'MOST
HOUSES don't accept rogue occultists' I did not say ALL HOUSES.
As for the Occultist guild being picky, yes they are, and rightly so and
at least they give a chance to rogue occultist to try out (I remember
you yourself asking me to join the Occultist guild). The houses I was
talking about on the other hand do not give rogue Occultists a chance.
Moreover, I am well aware of the history the Occultist guild shares with
the Church, but that is between the GUILD and the Church, not rogue
Occultists and the Church. I also remember attending many Chaos
discussions for young Scholars of your guild, when I used to live in
Ashtan. The Elders at those meetings stated that Chaos could be found
within Order. If this is the case, then what's wrong with the Church
standing for Order and Harmony?
And as you said, we USE chaos, we do not worship it, we do not serve it,
we use it (I use the word chaos here in the same fashion as in my
previous post, see post 14893). Does a Magi using his Elemental Fire
powers make him a crazed Pyromaniac? I would say no, he can use his
skills with wisdom and for good causes.
The attachment most rogue Occultists feel towards the Occultism skill is
the same attachment a magi feels towards the Elementalism skill, and the
same attachment a fisherperson feels towards his fishing rod. The skills
are the tools one uses to get things done and assist him, nothing more.
Post 14896 by Relish:
This post was less amusing, and more on the offensive side but it was
still a valid opinion. He started off by saying that people ignorant
like me made the burning times happen; I am trying to bring people
together with tolerance not divide them, so that statement is clearly
fallacious. The Burning Times are long gone, and perhaps the time for
healing is at hand, my understanding is that people are supposed to
learn from the past, not dwell on it until it becomes their present.
Then he says that he isn't sure why most houses wont let rogue
Occultists join them, but one thing he is sure of is that is does not
CONCERN him. Then he spends almost the entirety of his post explaining
to me what the Occultist Guild is about, I am not sure why since I am a
rogue Occultist and the Guild doesn't CONCERN me.
Relish, I would like to point out that I in fact did not say: 'The guild
does not allow rogue Occultist' what I said was that most rogue
Occultist didn't get accepted into the guild.
I never denied that we USE chaos entities, just as Priests sometimes use
Demons and Hellsight.
But when you say: 'But are Priests worshipping the demons? I think not.
There is a difference between utilizing and following something, perhaps
you should try to remember this before attempting a mildly thought out
post.'
Are you serious? That's not an argument, that is what I said in my post,
you are repeating me. I said Priests don't worship Demons just like we
don't worship chaos. And perhaps you should remember what you just read
before attempting your not-at-all thought out rhetoric at it.
PS; A word of advice if I may; from the aggressiveness of post it seems
you are somewhat frustrated, perhaps you should take up Rhadamanthys on
his tea drinking /open door offer.
PPS; You should quit taking cheap shots at the Church everytime you get
the chance. It doesn't help the healing process.
Thanks for all the responses in spirit of debate, the politeness is
greatly appreciated
Madus
Penned by my hand on the 14th of Phaestian, in the year 395 AF.