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Public News Post #10323

What I've learned and What I know

Written by: Paratheo-Anametamystik Priest, Llewellyn Mercadia, of Eris Esoteric
Date: Monday, December 9th, 2002
Addressed to: Master Rak, the Foolish


I'd like to take my opportunity to retort since I was not given this
opportunity before I was outguilded and also because I've learned a few
tidbits of information from a few other current Jesters whom I will
protect from Callianessa's Tyranny by keeping them nameless.

Yes I ran the guild for many years and had a good run. I was indeed a
busy man between being Minster of Culture, Archon of Ashtan and the
Guildmaster of the Jesters. As busy as I was though I always had time
for my fellow guildmembers and quite a few always knew they could come
to me and I would listen when they had a problem. I also ran referendums
periodically for a census on how well or poorly the guild at large felt
about my preformance. The time did come for me where I felt I needed a
vacation so I stepped down from -all- my leadership positions to do just
that. However, I always remained on the sidelines to give advice when
asked for it but for the most part remained silent and enjoyed my
vacation so as to give Callianessa room to do her thing and not feel
pressured by me and so the Guild could see this as well to show them I
had complete confidence and trust in Callianessa.

I did decide to try and make a play for Guildmaster again for these
reasons.

First, Seven, count them, seven long term Fully Probated Members of the
Guild quit in one week, Four of them all in one day. When I spoke to
each one and asked them why they left, they only offered to me one word.
Callianessa.

Second, I had 5 Guildmembers all come to me and ask me to return as GM
once again because they remembered how I ran the Guild and how I did not
play favourites and thought I should run the guild again.

Third, Because we started having a record number of novice failures all
of a sudden, I saw problems in the current system.

Fourth, I felt as if I were ready to be Guildmaster again and found that
the more I thought about it, I really wanted to be Guildmaster again

So I contested and ran a very lax campaign not stating all of my reasons
chosing insted to keep it free of mudslinging because for one it's
really not my way and for two, I did not want there to be turbulance
created between Callianessa and myself regardless of if I won or lost.

The election started and when it was all over with, after doing the
math, I found myself ultimately defeated by 2 votes. A number I feel I
would have topped if those 7 people I mentioned earlier had still been
Jesters and it was then that I realized most of my support had either
already quit or had been run out of the Guild and those remaining simply
did not remember how I ran things, knew too much about me, or were
adopted into Callianessa's Bloodline, giving her thier support. Had I
ran a week earlier, I am fully confident that I would currently be
Guildmaster of the Jesters at this moment.

I would never just make decisions for Callianessa and then launch into
Epic debates with her on why it should be so. The instance you are
referring to is when we started having a record number of failed
interviews and Members quitting which spawned me to run for GM again in
the first place, and Callianessa knowing that I sought changes in the
Novice and Probate systems came -TO ME-, I did not go to her, she came
-TO ME- on advice to help the problem, asking me what my ideas were and
offered my advice, gave my reasoning and Callianessa agreed with me.
There was never any constantly trying to convince her that it was the
way to go and any Epic Debates you may remember was more both
Callianessa and Myself -together- explaining it to the rest of the
guild.

It was right as we made those changes that our Novicehead quit the guild
and Callianessa came to me asking what I thought about her stepping down
and me challenging her for GM again because she wanted to be novicehead
again and to be frank we both felt she was the only one able to handle
the postition at that critical juncture. So I took the postion of
Novicehead temporarily at her request and awaited her post to step down
before I challenged and when it still did not appear, I asked
Callianessa if she had a change of heart and she told me that she had to
because -Everyone- in the guild threatened to quit if she stepped down.
A number I find to be -highly- exaggerated. Her lack of courage to
follow through on her convictions and cave to ultimatums disappointed me
but I accepted and moved on, asking to be replaced as Novicehead along
the way.

Then the inguilding of Ximili took place. Callianessa spoke with me
about it, pointed out her new rule on converts to me, I agreed to send
them her way from then on and further told her that if she lost
confidence in me to do my job as secretary that she could remove me from
the positition and my feelings wouldn't be hurt at all. It was an
uncomfortable conversation and yes I was brash within it, but I did
agree to her new rule, problem solved and considered the ordeal to be
settled. Then Ralph starts patronizing me in tells and seeing as I had
already spoken to Callianessa about it, I did not feel that I needed to
justify it to him as well. He proceeded to browbeat me with ultimatums
which I do not stand for and then I took off to eat to return to find
myself no longer secretary. I entered the newsroom and was in the
process of making my post and ultimately stepping out of Executive Clan
and retireing from Interviewing altogether but I did not get that far
before I found myself ejected from the Executive Clan as well as from my
Guild.

I find that to probation an ex-guildmaster who as done so much and
recently challenged for Guildmaster to be highly controversal in itself,
but to go to the lengths of Outguilding me without warning, without
retort, without even coming to speak to me about solving the problem or
at the very least allowing me the dignity to quit before being cast out
is simply wrong and I don't feel I had done quite enough to deserve
that, like one man, even a prestegious one, is going to topple a guild
single handedly.

Now through talking with a few people it is becoming apparently more
clear what took place. From the tells I received.

Someone tells you, "She didnt say anything mean, she just said it was a
really hard decision to make and it was either you or someone else."

Someone tells you, "She said that someone did everything to help the
guild, and that she didnt want to loose that person."

So it appears that Ralph ran to Callianessa and gave her in the same
fashion he treated me, gave her an ultimatum. Either Outguild Llewellyn,
or I quit. So she crumpled underneath the ultimatum and chose to keep
the lesser ranking Guildmember who does nothing Secretarily but be
Secretary, who refused to Interview and made conditions of his being
secretary for it to be written in the Help file that he does not
Interview and not to ask him for an Interview, who does ultimately
nothing that I see but PK well and nothing else, someone who pushes her
around with Ultimatums, something I would never do, Someone whom she
tells the Guild does EVERYTHING for the guild yet she would not mention
who that person was over GT for everyone would KNOW it was not true...
over myself, a Higher Ranking, former Guildmaster who is over twice as
active in attendance alone and always had the Guild at Heart. And no I'm
not saying I was the only one, I never claimed to be the only one, but
no harm ever came to the Guild by my hands or my words.

So Jesters, be happy that you have such a Leader. Callianessa does
possess many qualities but from what she has demonstrated here, a Good,
Fairminded Guildmaster she is not. She may deny these accusations and I
myself hearing them third party cannot attest to thier complete
truthfullness or not. However I'm sure that Gods have thier ways of
finding out what conversations took place and what did not so if whether
or not it went that way, it's easy enough to find out and settle once
and for all. It doesn't matter much now, What is done is done. I just
think it stinks and that I have been terribly wronged.

Thank you all who read down to this point and allowed me vent. Thank you
all who have sent me messages and tells to console me. They are
appreciated. I've never been rogue without guild before and I can't say
that the experience suits me. I'm not sure where I will go from here but
until I sort it out, I wander.

Penned by my hand on the 19th of Ero, in the year 322 AF.


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Public News Post #10323

What I've learned and What I know

Written by: Paratheo-Anametamystik Priest, Llewellyn Mercadia, of Eris Esoteric
Date: Monday, December 9th, 2002
Addressed to: Master Rak, the Foolish


I'd like to take my opportunity to retort since I was not given this
opportunity before I was outguilded and also because I've learned a few
tidbits of information from a few other current Jesters whom I will
protect from Callianessa's Tyranny by keeping them nameless.

Yes I ran the guild for many years and had a good run. I was indeed a
busy man between being Minster of Culture, Archon of Ashtan and the
Guildmaster of the Jesters. As busy as I was though I always had time
for my fellow guildmembers and quite a few always knew they could come
to me and I would listen when they had a problem. I also ran referendums
periodically for a census on how well or poorly the guild at large felt
about my preformance. The time did come for me where I felt I needed a
vacation so I stepped down from -all- my leadership positions to do just
that. However, I always remained on the sidelines to give advice when
asked for it but for the most part remained silent and enjoyed my
vacation so as to give Callianessa room to do her thing and not feel
pressured by me and so the Guild could see this as well to show them I
had complete confidence and trust in Callianessa.

I did decide to try and make a play for Guildmaster again for these
reasons.

First, Seven, count them, seven long term Fully Probated Members of the
Guild quit in one week, Four of them all in one day. When I spoke to
each one and asked them why they left, they only offered to me one word.
Callianessa.

Second, I had 5 Guildmembers all come to me and ask me to return as GM
once again because they remembered how I ran the Guild and how I did not
play favourites and thought I should run the guild again.

Third, Because we started having a record number of novice failures all
of a sudden, I saw problems in the current system.

Fourth, I felt as if I were ready to be Guildmaster again and found that
the more I thought about it, I really wanted to be Guildmaster again

So I contested and ran a very lax campaign not stating all of my reasons
chosing insted to keep it free of mudslinging because for one it's
really not my way and for two, I did not want there to be turbulance
created between Callianessa and myself regardless of if I won or lost.

The election started and when it was all over with, after doing the
math, I found myself ultimately defeated by 2 votes. A number I feel I
would have topped if those 7 people I mentioned earlier had still been
Jesters and it was then that I realized most of my support had either
already quit or had been run out of the Guild and those remaining simply
did not remember how I ran things, knew too much about me, or were
adopted into Callianessa's Bloodline, giving her thier support. Had I
ran a week earlier, I am fully confident that I would currently be
Guildmaster of the Jesters at this moment.

I would never just make decisions for Callianessa and then launch into
Epic debates with her on why it should be so. The instance you are
referring to is when we started having a record number of failed
interviews and Members quitting which spawned me to run for GM again in
the first place, and Callianessa knowing that I sought changes in the
Novice and Probate systems came -TO ME-, I did not go to her, she came
-TO ME- on advice to help the problem, asking me what my ideas were and
offered my advice, gave my reasoning and Callianessa agreed with me.
There was never any constantly trying to convince her that it was the
way to go and any Epic Debates you may remember was more both
Callianessa and Myself -together- explaining it to the rest of the
guild.

It was right as we made those changes that our Novicehead quit the guild
and Callianessa came to me asking what I thought about her stepping down
and me challenging her for GM again because she wanted to be novicehead
again and to be frank we both felt she was the only one able to handle
the postition at that critical juncture. So I took the postion of
Novicehead temporarily at her request and awaited her post to step down
before I challenged and when it still did not appear, I asked
Callianessa if she had a change of heart and she told me that she had to
because -Everyone- in the guild threatened to quit if she stepped down.
A number I find to be -highly- exaggerated. Her lack of courage to
follow through on her convictions and cave to ultimatums disappointed me
but I accepted and moved on, asking to be replaced as Novicehead along
the way.

Then the inguilding of Ximili took place. Callianessa spoke with me
about it, pointed out her new rule on converts to me, I agreed to send
them her way from then on and further told her that if she lost
confidence in me to do my job as secretary that she could remove me from
the positition and my feelings wouldn't be hurt at all. It was an
uncomfortable conversation and yes I was brash within it, but I did
agree to her new rule, problem solved and considered the ordeal to be
settled. Then Ralph starts patronizing me in tells and seeing as I had
already spoken to Callianessa about it, I did not feel that I needed to
justify it to him as well. He proceeded to browbeat me with ultimatums
which I do not stand for and then I took off to eat to return to find
myself no longer secretary. I entered the newsroom and was in the
process of making my post and ultimately stepping out of Executive Clan
and retireing from Interviewing altogether but I did not get that far
before I found myself ejected from the Executive Clan as well as from my
Guild.

I find that to probation an ex-guildmaster who as done so much and
recently challenged for Guildmaster to be highly controversal in itself,
but to go to the lengths of Outguilding me without warning, without
retort, without even coming to speak to me about solving the problem or
at the very least allowing me the dignity to quit before being cast out
is simply wrong and I don't feel I had done quite enough to deserve
that, like one man, even a prestegious one, is going to topple a guild
single handedly.

Now through talking with a few people it is becoming apparently more
clear what took place. From the tells I received.

Someone tells you, "She didnt say anything mean, she just said it was a
really hard decision to make and it was either you or someone else."

Someone tells you, "She said that someone did everything to help the
guild, and that she didnt want to loose that person."

So it appears that Ralph ran to Callianessa and gave her in the same
fashion he treated me, gave her an ultimatum. Either Outguild Llewellyn,
or I quit. So she crumpled underneath the ultimatum and chose to keep
the lesser ranking Guildmember who does nothing Secretarily but be
Secretary, who refused to Interview and made conditions of his being
secretary for it to be written in the Help file that he does not
Interview and not to ask him for an Interview, who does ultimately
nothing that I see but PK well and nothing else, someone who pushes her
around with Ultimatums, something I would never do, Someone whom she
tells the Guild does EVERYTHING for the guild yet she would not mention
who that person was over GT for everyone would KNOW it was not true...
over myself, a Higher Ranking, former Guildmaster who is over twice as
active in attendance alone and always had the Guild at Heart. And no I'm
not saying I was the only one, I never claimed to be the only one, but
no harm ever came to the Guild by my hands or my words.

So Jesters, be happy that you have such a Leader. Callianessa does
possess many qualities but from what she has demonstrated here, a Good,
Fairminded Guildmaster she is not. She may deny these accusations and I
myself hearing them third party cannot attest to thier complete
truthfullness or not. However I'm sure that Gods have thier ways of
finding out what conversations took place and what did not so if whether
or not it went that way, it's easy enough to find out and settle once
and for all. It doesn't matter much now, What is done is done. I just
think it stinks and that I have been terribly wronged.

Thank you all who read down to this point and allowed me vent. Thank you
all who have sent me messages and tells to console me. They are
appreciated. I've never been rogue without guild before and I can't say
that the experience suits me. I'm not sure where I will go from here but
until I sort it out, I wander.

Penned by my hand on the 19th of Ero, in the year 322 AF.


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